Kids and the grieving process...

Posted elsewhere about David last May 2008... while he's doing better now, he still has days where his heart has a hole in it that can't be filled. It hurts so bad, I wish I could take that pain away from him.

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5-14-2008, 11:08 PM #1
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Marissa wrote:

For David....
.... the grieving process of losing his Dad has entered a new phase. He's asking specific questions about Marks death, he is expressing that he has a huge "empty" spot in his heart. Tonight he couldn't sleep, he asked to watch the video slideshow that was shown to the Church of the mission trip he was on when he died...it brought up comments, I know there will be rough days ahead. I'm so glad that Tim and Clark are here to help us through it.

~~ I'll be emailing the school counselor and his teacher, his teacher is leaving the class this week to have a baby next week...I'm sure that "loss" is part of this too.

*05-15-2008, 12:29 AM

I cannot imagine what he, or you, must be going through.
You both are in my prayers.

Amy

 

*05-15-2008, 03:44 AM

Praying for both of you to get through this difficult period of time.

Penny

 

*I am so sorry that you both are going through this right now. Children process death much more differentely than you and I. While it appeared David was handling things, his grief came out in his behavior earlier. He most likely couldn't understand the feelings he was having and he just couldn't express them to you or anybody else in a way that was meaningful to him.

Now, that its become evident that Mark's death is permanent, he's naturally showing curiosity about it in order to understand and process what happened as well as devise strategies to prevent it from happening to you. Be prepared for him to become angrily protective over you, even trying to shield you from the love and care of others. And understand that he still doesn't understand that this was a fluke, something that happens only to a certain person at a certain time. We process death in understanding that God has a magnificent plan for our lives and only He knows the date and time of our birth and the date and time of our death. However, when children hear that, they begin to wonder when your date and time is and when his date and time is, they are unable to process the circle of life.

And as David ages and matures, his grief will change, the way he processes information will change. It may take him many years to get through this, his grieving process, or it may only take him a few, there is no time limit on it. And sometimes, it will seem as if he's accepted it and then, a month or a year later, it will hit him again and hit him hard.

These are rough years for you and David, but Marissa, I promise you that you will both get through this, together and your relationship will be stronger for it. I know its hard to see your son hurt so much and I just wish I could reach out to you both and give you great big hugs, but do know that you are always in my heart and in my prayers.

Pooh

*05-15-2008, 07:55 AM #17

Our God is good. Now I know why you have been on my heart so much lately! I will be praying (more specifically) for you both .

Tess

*05-15-2008, 09:28 AM #19

Hugs and prayers!!!!

Anne R

 

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05-27-2008, 05:15 PM #22
Marissa wrote:


David woke up today in the BEST MOOD...he told me that he prayed for Daddy to come talk to him in a dream AND HE DID!!! He said that he's really missing him and it was nice to see him.

*05-27-2008, 05:32 PM #24

Rejoicing with you and David, but it still made me teary.

CandleGram

*Oh, how awesome is that!
Jleah

*Hugs and prayers for the journey.

E&Bsmom

05-27-2008, 06:53 PM #27

Quote:

Originally Posted by CandleGram
Rejoicing with you and David, but it still made me teary.

Karen

Oh I was crying when he told me, it was a great moment! 

Marissa

Thats great Marissa!

I haven't had any dreams that my mom is talking to me yet, but I was having dreams about her. And in all those dreams she was healthy and happy. Those gave me ALOT of comfort.

One of my family members told me about a month after mom died that she had a dream that my mom called from heaven to say that everything was fine.
Lauren

05-27-2008, 07:57 PM #29

I am so glad David was able to receive this comfort at this perfect time

Tess

05-27-2008, 08:11 PM

That is a blessing Marissa!
Traci

05-27-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by skippyplante View Post
Thats great Marissa!

I haven't had any dreams that my mom is talking to me yet, but I was having dreams about her. And in all those dreams she was healthy and happy. Those gave me ALOT of comfort.

One of my family members told me about a month after mom died that she had a dream that my mom called from heaven to say that everything was fine.

That's great! Mark has visited others that were with him when he died, I haven't had a conscious memory of him yet...but it's ok...

Living life ...
Marissa

05-29-2008, 05:33 PM

That must have been awesome for him.
Kathi

05-29-2008, 08:54 PM

The biggest comfort for me is when David comes to me in a dream. It is always so vivid, I can hear his voice and I can even smell him and feel his touch. I know its strange, but it happens on a regular basis.

Let your David know that he can always "keep in touch" with his father through his dreams. Just because Mark is gone to Heaven doesn't mean that David can't share his ups and downs with him. I do that with David all the time.

I get in a quiet, dark place and I put together all my memories of his voice, his smell, his touch, his smile, everything and I concentrate on those memories and then I just start sharing my day with him. I share my joys and I share my hurts just as if he were here. And it does comfort me.
Pooh

06-10-2008, 03:20 PM #37
Marissa


Update
This is definitely HIS summer to work on the grieving process.

Last year I tried getting him into the Dougy Center and Camp Erin and was unsuccessful ... I've just confirmed his participation in BOTH programs for this summer!

http://www.moyerfoundation.org/events/erin.aspx

www.dougycenter.org

07-20-2008, 12:46 PM #39
mikandles

Marissa, my stepmom is familiar with the Dougy Center. My niece lost her father about a year ago and they were somewhat distant to begin with, but she sometimes has outbursts about it. They attend grief counseling together, though I'm not sure where.

Anyway, maybe you'll see them there. Nicole is 6.

The thumbnail version

What follows accompanied my 2008 Application to Multnomah University, a fantastic Bible University that happens to be here in the Portland area. I was accepted to the program but due to circumstances beyond my control (hmmm God incidence?) I was unable to continue in the program. This gives a view into my life that I know and will delve into more in the near future.

Personal Statement to supplement my Application

I grew up in a Catholic church. On Sundays I attended Mass and also participated in youth group and choir, yet I didn’t know there was more to Christianity than that. It was something “I did” just as I “did” other things.

It wasn’t until I joined my present Church back in 2000 that the honest realization of Christ being in my daily life all along happened. I grew up in a very dysfunctional family with alcohol abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, lies, deceit, divorce…you name it, I’ve been through some form of it. I was moved from NY to AZ in 1982 (two moves during my SR year of HS) and again in 1986 to Oregon, with no logical explanation from my parents, other than threats.

As I grew, random people came into my life that had major impact on how I am how. What they did wasn’t anything huge, but they were connections that would forever change the course of my life. I look back on my life and can now realize that the Lord put those “random” people right where I needed them unbeknownst to me.

In 1990 I met and married my first husband. He turned out to be a con-man and an alcoholic who feigned ‘recovery’. He was not drinking, but had all the signs of an active drinker still. He was a “dry-drunk”. I divorced him and met my future 2nd husband. Mark and I went through some very difficult times. He was an active alcoholic and compulsive gambler however he asked for help in 1996 and our lives changed forever.

I had been in counseling for years, the 12 steps of Al-Anon made so much sense to me, and my world began to open. In 1997 Mark and I were married, in 1998 our son was born and in 2000 we found our Church home at Our Saviors Lutheran Church in Lake Oswego. I began to look back on my life and recognize that while I thought I was alone, experiencing all the hardships I had endured, the Lord was right beside me the entire time. He placed that “random” Red Cross volunteer at my camp, the one that recognized my last name and asked if I was Jim’s daughter, this stranger knew my birth father that I hadn’t seen in years. The Lord brought Melissa from 30 minutes away weekly to attend my youth group, we didn’t understand why someone would drive 30 min to go to a group where she knew no one, but she did and we became best friends. When I called her to tell her about this “random red cross guy” she hung up and told her mom. A few minutes later my phone rang at home and it was Melissa’s mother, seems she was my fathers Counselor and until THAT moment, never connected us being related because she worked an hour away in NY City. Looking back it became very clear that the Lord had been in control and in my life through it all.

In 2006, my life would change forever and I would question everything I had come to believe. Mark had been called into Ministry and took over the HS Youth Program at OSLC in 2003, we suddenly had over 100 HS youth calling us mom and dad, it was wonderful and although he was the head of the ministry, WE worked together as a team. While completing his Certificate of Youth Ministry through Wartburg Seminary, he heard of the tremendous need for hurricane relief assistance in New Orleans. He could NOT get it out of his head. He prayed, I prayed, and together we felt that the High School program needed to be there. This is a group that has a 30 year history of traveling the week after school gets out to sing and serve. The next 9 months were met with resistance, brick walls that he constantly chipped away at, the reality that if a problem arose while there, he would lose his job and throughout that, he kept prayerful and positive. This trip was driven by the Lord and he was going to see it through. On June 16th, Mark flew out of PDX with a group of 70 youth and adults to spend a week ministering to those devastated by Hurricane Katrina. I stayed home with our son and waited for the daily check in phone calls that were usually quick because communications were still spotty. He was tired, exhilarated and over the top amazed at how the Lord was working in the lives of all involved. On Wed June 21st my day started with a phone call informing me that Mark had collapsed and CPR was being performed. I listened as people reacted, I heard the paramedics arrive, I spoke with those involved in the resuscitation attempt and while I knew they were doing their best, I knew in my heart that my husband and life partner, my son’s daddy, was gone. 45 minutes later the official call came and at that time, I started to question everything.

We knew that he had a family history of heart attacks in their late 40’s, we thought we had 7 more years together minimally. He had seen his doctor 2 weeks prior and was given a clean bill of health. We had done everything the right way, we had a great family, he was doing the work of the Lord, we took a 50% income cut for this job, the list went on and on. WHY???

And then the rush died down, and I got quiet and listened. The amazing thing, others heard the same thing I heard, “Mark did his time. He accomplished what I wanted Him to do. His work on earth is done and he needs to come Home”. If Mark had died two weeks prior to the trip, even 2 days into the trip, it would have been cancelled. At the point he died, the kids were 3 days away from flying home, they felt it was their duty to continue the trip in honor of Mark because He felt their being called to New Orleans and so they continued.

The past 26+ months have been difficult at times, and yet they’ve been so easy at others. I have been a stay at home mom for most of my son’s life. I worked for a 6 month stint before Mark died, but when they changed my shift to include working on Sundays and I spent Easter Sunday working, I gave my notice and quit. Family and my relationship with Christ and our calling to the Ministry was much more important than that job and I never looked back on it. Our son had an extremely difficult time after Marks death. He already had ADHD and developed a severe Anxiety Disorder that centered around me “leaving and not coming back”, rather logical considering the circumstances. He knows that I will not leave him without a reason, he knows where I will be and why. He knows and trusts that I leave him with safe people. He knows that Daddy and God are looking over him and protecting him. He also knows that when it’s our time to go, that the Lord will take us. We can’t question why or how, only He knows those things. Yet logically he didn’t want me going anywhere but to school and home and so that’s what I did for 26 months. Living on what little Social Security Survivor benefits we receive has been difficult. I exhausted every financial option I could find, and have just pulled my house out of foreclosure. It’s amazing that Credit Companies don’t recognize Gods Will as a reason for not making a payment, but I digress.

The Lord has put some amazing people in my life, friends that have been there to give me breaks when I desperately needed them, a neighbor that dropped off bags upon bags of food and even loaned me their car for a week when mine was in the shop for repairs. Marks Aunt paid my bills for several months, Marks best friend rented a room from me rather than in an Apartment complex to help pay my mortgage. Most recently Tim was brought into my life, we met online over a year ago and met in person last Halloween. He proposed in January, has moved down here from Washington, and has accepted me, lock, stock and baggage. David loves him and my friends and parents really like him. He has helped me through so much and is thrilled to support me on my new path. There are many things that we’ve learned about our individual walks with the Lord that are similar, I won’t get into them here, but it’s another sign to us that God has a plan and we are to be together. This summer while working at Vacation Bible School I had many people come up to me and ask when I was going to get more involved in Ministry. I’ve struggled with where “I fit” into our Church since Marks passing, have talked with many about that struggle, but never had a clear cut answer. When I saw the information about this program, I knew it was right. I shared it with those that are around me and we all agreed that this IS my new call. I know that I want to be working with Youth and their families. I have been through many struggles with many families and even now, am surrounded by some pretty difficult situations.

My son is thrilled that Mommy is going back to school as is Tim and my friends and family. I finally feel that THIS is right and that it is Christ driven. I have thoughts and ideas of what I want to do, I am starting to write them down, I have a feeling that I am going to be called to a different Church and will be doing something completely different in the near future, but I no idea what that is. What keeps me grounded is that I know that God is in control and as long as I keep Him as the focus of my energies, I will be led to places and people to do His work.

I know this was long, but it’s the only way I can express my experience and what I see for my future. I hope it answers all the questions you may have for me, if it doesn’t, please ask. It has been suggested that I write a book of my life experiences, to share with others the Hope that a life with the Lord can bring. I have much written already but need to pull it together, perhaps that will come easier as I work through this Degree Completion program.

Thanks for your consideration.

With His love and guidance, I respectfully submit this for your consideration.

Marissa Phillips

Encouragement...

It’s the Journey … that gets us to the end point, or at a stopping point that we can safely stop, turn around and breathe. Once there, we can look back and see that we were never alone and that it was all planned out long before we were thought about.

Jeremiah 29:11-14 (New International Version)

11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back from captivity. [a] I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile."

Footnotes: [a] Jeremiah 29:14 Or will restore your fortunes

While I never spent much time in Bible Study, this verse stuck with me for many years and I never understood why. Let's be real, it is so incredibly hard to do in daily life, to put our thoughts and feelings aside and to listen, to be still and hear the voice of God. To have FAITH and remember that Our Lord knows our birth date and our death date long before we are even known to exist.

I have to remind myself of that from time to time, and last week, while speaking w/ an acquaintance on Twitter, that plan He had for me came up. After David was born, I had 2 miscarriages. One was at about 20 weeks along, yes...you read that right, very late however there were problems from the beginning of the pregnancy, I was on antibiotics from the beginning of it and the baby was not developing properly at all. In fact, when I had my first ultrasound at what should have been about 14 or 15 weeks along, the baby was only 7 weeks along in development. 7 days before Christmas I began to cramp and bleed, and I knew it was over, it was confirmed on a Friday afternoon and on the Tuesday before Christmas I had a D&C to complete the miscarriage. I had permission from my doctor to get on a plane on Wednesday evening, as previously planned, and fly to California to see family down there for the holiday. It was not only emotional, but painful, and everyone there handled it well. I had drugs, those helped a lot wih the physical pain, but not the emotional pain. We spent some great time with my grandmother, not knowing that it would be her final Christmas on this earth with us. We also spent time on the beach, talk about healing...I can't put into words how refreshing that was. But I digress.

Throughout that time and the subsequent miscarriage, which happened much earlier in my pregnancy and did not require medical intervention, I questioned WHY? Why were these lives that we so desperately wanted taken from us? Why were we being punished? What did we do wrong?

We were good Christians, we went to church, we prayed as a family, we turned our lives around and were doing well. We were "older" if you will and our son wanted to be a big brother so much.

You see, I thought it was about me, about our family; I totally forgot it was about Him. I forgot that HE had a plan for me us. You see, the Lord KNEW that on June 21, 2006 he would call Mark home. He KNEW that I would be thrown into the chaos known as Widowhood AND be a single parent to a child that would fall apart and need every ounce of my energy for the next 3 years. I had NO IDEA that would happen, in hindsight, I'm pretty damn happy that I didn't know that.

• He knew that I would NOT be able to handle 3 kids on my own.
• He knew that I would rely on friends and some family to help me through
• He knew that I would need certain needs met.
• He always provided.
• He made that committment and promise to us and
• HE follows through ALWAYS!

How AWESOME is that??

Quick note ...

To answer a question...I put these "Detail Backfill" posts in here because I want my son to have a place to go to when he's older and be able to see for himself what kind of support we had while going through an extremely difficult time of our lives.

Detail Backfill

From time to time, I pull old posts from a previous blog on MySpace and other communities I belong to and add them in here to fill in the gaps.

I have added

• http://mypersonalminiseries.blogspot.com/2009/06/dream-little-dream-of-him.html
• http://mypersonalminiseries.blogspot.com/2009/02/haiti-at-last.html
• http://mypersonalminiseries.blogspot.com/2007/05/damn-toiletry-bag.html
• http://mypersonalminiseries.blogspot.com/2007/06/1-yr-coming-up.html
• http://mypersonalminiseries.blogspot.com/2006/09/amazing-friends-in-christ.html
• http://mypersonalminiseries.blogspot.com/2007/09/update-from-me.html

He was happiest...

when he was with the kids ...

Whether goofing off with our son...




or sleeping peacefully





hanging with his sister....




helping David...


being my "cheerleader"



and wishing David a good day at school



but bottom line .... He was happiest... when he was with the Lord....




and so he went, on June 21, 2006 ....




My life is good now, but it will never be the same. Grief rears it's ugly head at unexpected times. The Lord has seen to it that the right people are here to help me through.

but it will never be the same.

more detail backfill

I have added more posts from other locations to this Blog that fill in the day to day grieving process after Mark died. I have a Label of Detail Backfill that will pull them all up as I know some readers have mentioned that you have actually gone back and read them. I have left them open for comments should you choose to leave something. I do read all comments.

Diary of David

IF he were to have a Diary, this is what I think todays entry would be like:

Dear Diary

I'm not thrilled with the scent of that Adidas stuff Mom got me to go on my armpits, but I did it. 2 swipes ... she smelled them and said I smell nice and can get a different smell if I want after i use this for awhile. It's COOL though cause it's ADIDAS!

I went back to the bathroom after Mom said I had to comb my hair, YUK I hate doing it, but my friends don't make comments on my hair being all over the place, and the girls are nicer to me when I do. I used that ADIDAS Hair stuff that came with the armpit stuff, it foamed a bit but smells cool. When mom saw me, she laughed when I told her what I had done, I guess it's Hair and Body wash that I'm supposed to use when I take a BATH ~ now we have to wash my hair in the sink ... YUK!! Oh well, at least it smells good.

haiti at last

02-08-2009, 01:44 PM	#1
Marissa questioning my sanity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 14,822	For strength .... We have a Haiti team leaving Thursday for a 10 day Mission. I've decided that I am going to divide Mark's ashes and send some with this group. This is the third anniversary of his trip there and some of the people going were very close to him. I feel that Mark won't truly be honored until some of him is scattered at the beach village. Pray for their strength and safety as they travel and complete this difficult medical mission, this area was devastated 4 times in the past year by hurricanes. Pray for my strength and that of those here at home, as I go through the process of packaging a piece of Mark for his final resting place, where his heart truly lived.
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02-08-2009, 01:51 PM	#2
Lissa Gettin' Jiggy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Southwestern Ohio Posts: 14,029	I think Mark will enjoy getting back to Haiti......
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02-08-2009, 02:12 PM	#3
Marissa questioning my sanity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 14,822	I posted this on Marks memorial group from Facebook Quote: This week marks the 3rd Anniversary of Marks life changing Mission Trip to Haiti w/ Our Saviors Lutheran Church. It was his wish that the family move there, to serve w/ Etienne and the others. To make a difference. While that isn't possible due to David's age and our financial state now, I do feel strongly that Mark needs to be there. In honor of Mark, I am preparing some of his ashes to be spread on the Beach where Mark truly fell in love with the country and people of Haiti. It is the first step in laying Mark to rest as he's been at home with us since his passing in June of 2006. Our dear friend, Jim S will do the honors of leaving Mark there forever, I will pray that Lauren S has the strength to help ... Mark would be proud of them. Please keep this Mission Team in your prayers, they have a LOT of work to do while they are there, and this will add an extra emotional touch to it, but will provide closure as well. I am forever grateful for the friends I have here and there.
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02-08-2009, 04:33 PM	#9
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02-08-2009, 06:19 PM	#13
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02-08-2009, 09:05 PM	#18
Marissa questioning my sanity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 14,822	Thank you all for your prayers. David is going to bed now, I'm on my way to tuck him in and discuss whether he wants to help me divide Marks ashes or not. My plan is to fill two or three pill bottles and seal them in bubble wrap and then a ziplock bag. David, Clark, Tim and I will say a prayer over them before I bring them to Jim.
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02-09-2009, 02:47 AM	#19
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02-09-2009, 05:26 AM	#20
Nooga Wax Senior Member Deluxe Pacman Champion! Ms Pacman Champion! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 3,457
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02-09-2009, 06:04 AM	#21
Gena Wilton Course May 4! Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18,595	I wonder if a pill bottle is a good idea, since they'll be going through customs? I'd maybe call the funeral home or even check the airlines and see if there is a proper way to package ashes. Don't want to be a downer. I just hate the though that they could get into the line, and there be a problem and his ashes are confiscated or discarded. ing and

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02-09-2009, 08:30 AM	#22
Marissa questioning my sanity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 14,822	Quote: Originally Posted by Gena I wonder if a pill bottle is a good idea, since they'll be going through customs? I'd maybe call the funeral home or even check the airlines and see if there is a proper way to package ashes. Don't want to be a downer. I just hate the though that they could get into the line, and there be a problem and his ashes are confiscated or discarded. ing and They are taking boxes and boxes of medication w/ them, the ashes will go in one of those and be totally fine. Thanks for the concern ... and honestly, Mark ALWAYS ended up being delayed in airports, so if he got held up there I would be ! Heck he was delayed when being brought back from New Orleans to Portland...I swear, it never ended
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02-09-2009, 10:56 AM	#23
Tess Forever Lucy's Light Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 2,900	The LAST thing I personally would do would be to check with the airlines!! Can you spell RED TAPE!!!!
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02-09-2009, 11:34 AM	#24
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02-09-2009, 07:52 PM	#25
Marissa questioning my sanity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 14,822	I just did it, I tried earlier today but couldn't, didn't help that I watched the great slideshow that Belinda put together for the website and was a bawling mess. I waited until the guys were around and did it. Had to use a knife to get the plastic box open I haven't sealed it yet because I think David might want to spread some in the backyard. We'll see.
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02-09-2009, 08:11 PM	#26
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02-12-2009, 09:15 AM	#27
Marissa questioning my sanity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 14,822	The Team is on their way!!
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02-12-2009, 09:17 AM	#28
Gena Wilton Course May 4! Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18,595

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02-12-2009, 09:20 AM	#29
Michelle in IL Senior Member Yahtzee Champion! Pacman Turbo Champion! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Byron, IL Posts: 4,012	for everyone